Somebody should sue so we can learn the truth about Vancouver civic politics

Mayor Gregor Robertson's chief of staff has been complaining these days about attacks from bloggers. Mike Magee even said he was defamed by an unproven allegation that he spearheaded the creation of a pro-Vision Vancouver blog to smear the party's critics.

Vision Vancouver supporters have told media outlets that they shouldn't replicate the claims of bloggers without subjecting them to greater scrutiny. A former Vision Vancouver staffer, now working in public relations, even invited me to interview a media lawyer today on how blogs and twitter feeds get people into legal hot water.

Meanwhile, a wealthy, right-wing blogger has alleged that Magee helped create a media hit list of three bloggers and 12 journalists who will be targeted by Vision Vancouver.

Surely, there's a legal claim if a political party decides it is intent on "destroying the lives and careers of reporters and commentators because they don’t blindly follow the Vision songsheet", as the blogger maintains.

This right-wing blogger also claims that he was ridiculed by comparisons of him to the Penguin in one of the Batman movies.

A central allegation is that Magee directed the pro-Vision blogger through a private e-mail account, which Magee vehemently denies.

The public is understandably confused because the allegations are so wildly contradictory. Someone is likely not telling the truth.

I'm going to issue a challenge to both of them: file a defamation suit against each other and let's see what a judge says.

The wealthy blogger can sue Magee for injuring his reputation through the pro-Vision blog. If the wealthy blogger added Vision Vancouver as a defendant (after all, he calls it the Vision blog), other party officials could be cross-examined.

With a good lawyer and a well-crafted statement of claim that alleges links between the mayor's chief of staff and the pro-Vision blog, the wealthy blogger could probably obtain a court order for the production of documents.

This would include e-mails, if they exist, in Magee's private account sent to the operator of the pro-Vision blog. If these e-mails were to become public and they showed that the mayor's chief of staff was issuing directives about content on the blog, Magee would be exposed as a liar.

(This option is also open to NPA members or former members who feel they've been defamed by the pro-Vision blog.)

If the e-mails don't exist and if there were no witnesses who would testify under oath that Magee was involved in dirty tricks, the wealthy blogger's claim would lose its lustre in the eyes of the public. Voters would conclude that Magee and Robertson were the victims of a hatchet job.

For his part, Magee could probably easily flush out the identity of the unnamed source in the wealthy blogger's video, which purported that the hit list exists.

Reporters can't protect the identities of anonymous sources in this province without facing the prospect of being in contempt of court.

This was demonstrated in a 2002 case in B.C. Supreme Court, Dr. Ali Bouaziz v. Rick Ouston, Neil Reynolds, Patricia Graham, Teresa Honeyman, Chris Rose, John Olding, and Southam Inc..

The defendants tried to conceal the names of two unnamed sources in a defamation action filed by Dr. Bouaziz.

Justice Brenda Brown ruled that the plaintiff had the right to know the identities of his accusers, two nurses, so that he could proceed with his defamation claim.

This court order was issued during an examination for discovery, which is part of the pretrial process.

Vision Vancouver is a wealthy political party. It could easily afford to cover Magee's legal bills to get a similar court order, and this could conceivably occur before the next election in 2011.

Magee could make the same argument as Dr. Bouaziz: How can he defend himself if his lawyer can't confront his accuser in open court?

The blogger has no shortage of resources to try to get a court order forcing the production of e-mails from Magee.

In both instances, the court orders could be obtained before the case went to trial. The public could draw its own conclusions based on the documents and on the believability of the hidden source. The lawsuit could be dropped at that point, if the plaintiff so chooses.

Global TV's Marisa Thomas could also be subpoenaed to reveal the name of the anonymous former FD Element employee who made some stunning allegations against Magee.

This would be central to the wealthy blogger's defence, and any decent lawyer could probably get a court order forcing her to cough up the name of her source.

In turn, the former FD Element worker could then be subpoenaed to testify. The Vision lawyer could subject him to a vigorous cross-examination.

So what do you say, gentleman? Are you prepared to put your claims to the test in court?

Please sue or shut up.

Follow Charlie Smith on Twitter at twitter.com/csmithstraight.

Comments

MAG
Very interesting. But before going to court, why not simply invite the participants to subject themselves to lie detectors. I know they are not 100% accurate, but I'm told they are usually very accurate. It would be a good start.
 
spartikus
LOL

You wouldn't be suggesting this is all.....theatre, would you?
 
sv
I really hope "wealthy blogger" sticks.
 
JamieLee
Thank You Charlie for this article. These back and forth allegations are very concerning and no doubt It is turning off the public even more from the political process. It seems that if there is any truth to claims being made by both sides and because these various alleged claims are so serious, perhaps the Mayor should immediately appoint an Investigator to get to the heart of this matter. This appointment could be similar in scope to when the well-respected Richard Peck was tasked to conduct an investigation when the leaked Olympic documents scandal broke. The claims and counter-claims are so serious that this matter somehow must be resolved. The sooner the better.
 
beelzebub
Why do you not name the penguin Charlie? You got one of the sides, Magee. Is there some reason you are withholding the name?
 
Charlie Smith
The wealthy blogger has described me as a whore on his site. He has also written that I'm wrong 99.9 percent of the time.

The pro-Vision blogger has written sarcastically that our news coverage would improve if I was hit by a bus and died.

Frankly, I'm not interested in driving traffic to either one of these charmers.

I hope this answers your question, beelzebub.
 
glen p robbins
I'll do your legal work for free Charlie if you want to sue, as soon as I file the lawsuit I'm drafting for this Tuesday.

Let me know.
 
shame!!!
"This right-wing blogger also claims that he was ridiculed by comparisons of him to the Penguin in one of the Batman movies."

just because they both eat and smell like old raw fish does not make the comparison fair.
 
RS
It's not like anyone who is inclined to read this far doesn't already know the rival bloggers are Alex Tsakumis and Johnathan Ross. Ooops! That should be --
Johnathan Ross to the left & Alex Tsakumis to the right.
Surely you've thicker skin 'n' endured worse Charlie Smith?
 
Charlie Smith
RS
Ha ha ha....Larry Campbell used to regularly say I was off my meds whenever he wanted to put me down. I figured someone would shove their names into the comment section, anyway.
 
The Joker
An insult to the Penguin, if you ask me. Hard to "ridicule" the ridiculous.
 
glen p robbins
pencil neck geek and beluga whale g(r)eek - hiding behind a blog sight.

Dont' pee in public urinals standing up -
 
Shepsil
Charlie, shouldn't we be more careful in what we wish for?

?Julian Assange Vs. Alastair Mullis - Free Speech Debate.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yGshmyKhcX4

Follow up by the british press.
 
Odd
Mr. Tsakumis has so many alias', its' no wonder he is a conservative right wingnut. "That Pebble without a Cause".
 
UWSofty
All the petty bickering reminds me of university politics. Other then a few eggheads, no one cares.
 
The Fourth Horseman
Just spreading this around the blosphere, Charlie, for all to think on.

In an intro that captures copyright, opinion, source protection and possible defamation in one sweet para, here is the inimitable Chris Hitchen’s (Hitch 22):

“I can claim copyright only in myself, and occasionally in those who are either dead or have written about the same events, or who have a decent expectation of anonymity, or who are such appalling public shits that they have forfeited their right to bitch”.

Love it.

Amen to all that, brothers and sisters.

 
Ziggles
RE: the "wealthy blogger": Too bad that money can't buy him some basic manners.
 
RunningFrog
Just look up each party, and PLEASE VOTE FOR THE PARTY MANDATE; and NOT the flavour of the month.

We know that today in Canada; what exactly business parties represent,

CORPORATE RAIDERS R US 'Parties' ~ Can Our Canada afford this now ongoing influx of CONFugees, Scabs, and highly illegal Squatters?
 
William B. Williams.
I think far too much time has already been wasted on the so called duelling blog issue”¦..about the only thing missing is an aluminum canoe, Ned Beatty, and Burt Reynolds in a wetsuit.

On a more serious note (if you really were serious on the litigation suggestion) since when does litigation ever really reveal anything ? Basically you get lawyers calling one side a liar and making up all kinds of insane allegations with typically zero proof to back up any of the allegations basically hoping enough shit (hope I can shit in this blog) sticks to the wall to make an impression on judge and jury. Pretty much exactly what these two bloggerheads are doing now, arguably with some success getting the MSM to bite on to the bone once in awhile.


What you rally need to do is call in a good plumber because the cinderalla difference in this story was that someone leaked out documents that left a trail of bread crumbs all the way to you know who’s office. And no Batman, I don’t mean the Penquin.

 
R U Kiddingme
THE PENGUIN!!!! That is the best one yet. Now I have to see what he is saying about you over at Hardly Underfed's blog.
 
 
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