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B.C.'s liquor rules still sting

B.C.'s Liquor Distribution Branch reaps the profits of a monopoly that dates back to Prohibition—and many want that changed

By Daniel Wood,

A lawyer who specializes in liquor issues, Mark Hicken, says the provincial government is addicted to generating revenue by taxing alcoholic beverages.

Seated in one of the crammed backrooms of Davie Street's Marquis Wine Cellars, with wooden boxes of Bordeaux wines piled to the ceiling above me, I tell myself that if there's an earthquake, I'll die in style.

No bonk from some plonk for me. Stacked above me: several embossed cases of Chí¢teau Mouton Rothschild (2006), a bit pricey at $1,210 a bottle.

It's not really a seismic event that concerns me, though, but the shop owner's gesticulations and impassioned ranting. John Clerides, 51, is Greek and, therefore, genetically primed to explode. The target of his fulminations, paper flailing, table-thumping, and occasional retraction—for libel's sake—is the British Columbia Liquor Distribution Branch. Its policies and pricings have, he claims, led to this province having the most expensive liquor in North America and to B.C. wine buyers dying the death of a thousand cuts. His diatribe would be of little consequence except that—during a month of investigation—I hear precisely the same (if less voluble) observations from a half-dozen other high-profile experts on wine. Some request anonymity. Others, like Clerides, fear retribution from the powers that be for speaking out.

In a business where, I'm discovering, some see the bottle as half full and others see it as half empty, Clerides is the pessimist. He has little patience, he tells me, with the regulations that govern the LDB monopoly, and he hears all the time about well-known restaurateurs, specialty-wine-store owners, connoisseurs, and Alberta liquor smugglers who grimly face—or elude—the LDB's sky-high 123-percent markup on every bottle of wine and a 170-percent markup on every bottle of spirits sold in the province.

But it's not just the pricing that drives Clerides and his wine-drinking friends to apoplexy: it's the maze of restrictions, arbitrary rulings, and brutal wholesale margins, Clerides says, that has led Rich Coleman, B.C.'s former minister responsible for the LDB, to call the province's liquor-distribution system “a dog's breakfast.”

“The LDB's like a dictatorship. They're the bully on the playground,” Clerides says, waving a sheaf of proposals he has sent to B.C.'s Liberal government, suggesting ways the system might be modernized. “Hong Kong got rid of taxes on wine recently. They've become a wine-marketing centre. Alberta privatized its liquor-distribution system years ago. Prices are cheaper there. Liquor's cheaper in the States too. Europe doesn't have government-run monopolies. You buy wine anywhere. The LDB's mired in laws that go back to the '20s; it's a hangover from Prohibition. Try being creative! You think outside the box, you get squeezed.”

Clerides pauses in his screed, puts his thumb on a stack of wine-marketing ideas he'd like to see implemented in B.C., and crushes an imaginary bug.

When I ask Clerides who's responsible for this, he says a name. It's the same name I hear from every authority I speak with. And so I begin pursuing Jay Chambers, for 17 years the general manager of the LDB and the person responsible, critics say, for guiding a system that hurts B.C. restaurants, private liquor stores, and specialty wine shops because all must buy from the LDB alcohol monopoly.

Comments

Ali
Here here. In New York, I have seen Canadian wine priced lower than what we pay here at home! Does that make any sense at all? The LDB could at least have the decency to buy us dinner first.
 
Jackie Cooke
After moving from BC to Alberta five years ago, I find it ridiculous that LDB supporters are still claiming that free enterprise hurts consumers, particularly in remote locations and further, that multi-national retailers already control these markets in this province. Costco, Walmart et al. have put a lot of mom and pop businesses (of all kinds)out of business. The reason independent wine retailers do so well in this market vs. the big box giants is..... get ready for it, "innovation, service and selection." If you want Yellowtail, go to Costco, if you don't, you shop for unique brands from boutique stores. Calgary for example, is constantly opening new independent stores, despite the power that Costco and Liquor Depot have in this province. I don't shop at any big box liquor retailers for alcohol and there are many thousands of others who don't either. So, the premise of the argument the LDB supporters are putting forward about lack of access to unique products and high prices in small towns is quite ridiculous. Innovation and entrepreneurship, especially in markets dominated by the multi-nationals can and have proven to be quite successful. The speculation that a privatized market wouldn't work in BC and the arguments against it sounds like...."well we don't think it will work, so there is no point in trying" kind of attitude that has always existed at the LDB.
 
mike w
The LDB needs to be dismantled and liquor sales turned over to the free market.
 
Dan in Van
Great article!

I cannot believe that the supposedly "free enterprise" BC Liberals don't have the guts to bring the liquor laws into the 21st century. This government needs to focus on healthcare and education rather than distributing liquor and running retail outlets.

The $300 million this government spends on running this antiquated system could be better used on social programs. I also suspect that the high cost of liquor in BC is partly responsible for driving consumers to non-taxed illegal substances.
 
Chongo
This province is full of antiquated government run monopolies - ICBC anyone?
 
Name Withheld
Wow, so many outdated ideals about the wonderful private system in Alberta. As someone who very recently moved back to BC, and regularly brought booze to Alberta from BC when on vacation, because it was either cheaper here or there was a greater selection (yes, goes against conventional thinking, doesn't it?) I can speak from experience. I'm not disputing that there are SOME items that are cheaper there, but those items are, in many cases, not the items that the masses are looking for. If there is a smuggling syndicate, then it may be for only the highest end of the high end goods. I found most liquor was on par (within a couple %), beer is generally cheaper in BC, and Wine was hit and miss. The majority of liquor stores in Alberta are owned by three companies, those that aren't have higher prices than those that are...kinda losing the idea of "privatization creates competition" aren't we? Here's another thing to think of, if you are a small producer (craft brewer, or winery say) and you are in BC, once you are listed with the LDB, you are basically in every liquor store in the province (maybe not physically on the shelf, but the capability to be is there). In Alberta, you get listed with their LDB (YES< they have an LDB too!), but now you have to visit every store to get the manager to stock your product....which is better?
 
Name Withheld
@Jackie Cooke. Those new stores are simply new Co-ops or Liquor Depot stores (you'd be amazed how many 'independent' stores are actually owned by the Liquor Depot/Liquor Barn conglomerate). As for going to the specialty stores...yeah, great idea, drive from SE Calgary to the NW to buy a bottle of wine...I'll take BC's system any day, although the LDB needs to work on it's mark-ups, and could look at expanding it's listings....
 
BK
Many thanks for an excellent article.
The horrible taxes reaped by the provincial government must be eliminated. It is beyond embarrassing and the sooner the government sobers up the better. We are living in a dysfunctional paradise.
 
Anonymous
I'm curious where in North America wines are more expensive than BC and where in the world too? So far BC is number one in the world from my experiences.
 
Dr Zen
Part of the rationale is for high liquor prices is to discourage excessive drinking which results in increased social costs. Why then is the markup based on price and not simply total volume of alcohol?

If you're unfortunate enough to have a cultural background where good wine is a normal part of life, have some sense of smell and taste, and enjoy a half bottle of a halfway decent Rhone ($20+) with dinner you're going to pay a hell of a lot more in taxes than the gangsta wannabes guzzling Molson "cold shots" in the parking lot before hitting the club.

But hey, at least the government has protected us from roving gangs of lawyers and wine connoisseurs wreaking havoc on the cowering masses of Vancouver.
 
LostMyGlasses
#firstworldproblems

 
Kay
I'd rather liquor profits in this province go to the ministry of social housing and development than to the fat cats of the Costco. We pay more for housing here too, for gas, food etc than many other places in Canada or the USA. It's the cost of living in the best place in the world. The LDB also does more in the way of Social Responsibility and preventing the sale of alcohol to minors in comparison to private shops. They also have a green initiative, and a solid marketing plan to bring consistency to the look and feel of BC Liquor Stores. Restaurants complain about pricing when they mark up wine by up to 200%. Other businesses would kill to have margins that LRS's get. Especially when they have a competitive advantage of late openings and refrigeration. Sure booze can be cheaper here, but again, I'd rather see the money put back into the social system than see huge profits for the owners of Costco, while they pay their employees 10 bucks an hour.
 
CPD
I would much rather have the profits in the hands of our government to fund programs than a bunch of private liquor barons.
 
Taxpayers R Us
As told me by a BC Liquor store manager, if it weren't for the tax on it, a case of beer would be around $2.00.

Do the math.
 
AlexSherry
I went into the liquor store yesterday and showed the staff the article (not in a rude way) and they said it was horrible...maybe cause they are making really good $$ when in The States they are making a much more realistic wage...I have American relatives who don't even want to come up here because of prices. I'm from Florida originally and have been here for ten years and still get bitter about it! It should not be government run!! GARGAGE--stop ripping off your people, as per usual in BC...
 
Dan in Van
@CPD @Kay ... you guys are missing the point. It currently costs the government $276 million every year to run the LDB. That's $276 million that could be spent on homeless shelters rather than selling booze in the most inefficient way possible.

Plenty of western European countries have adequate social systems without having their governments sell their booze.

It's just plain ridiculous. These high mark-ups on wine make it a drink for the rich in BC. Shouldn't poor people be able to afford a glass too?
 
T-BONE
@ Dan in Van
Read the article, the LDB brings in 900 million a year.
 
Kay
So the reason why the LDB costs so much to run is because most of the store staff are members of the BCGEU. The Union is responsible for making sure they have adequate medical/dental benefits, vacation time, pension, special leave, and all that good stuff that the European system of government allows. Unfortunately, our own government is lacking in this department with respect to the private industry. However, it does take care of the workers employed in public service. It is this fundamental difference in treatment that creates the gap in wages and frustrates most readers when they hear LDB employees are making $22 bucks an hour. On the other hand of the coin, take the supposed villain Jay Chambers, who made $223,628 last year for bringing in $900 million. Compare this with Ford's CEO, who made $26.5 million last year while paying his employees $15/hr and cutting benefits. Ford made $815 million last year, less than the LDB contributed to the government in the same period of time.

Yet all the haters out there want liquor to be privatized so that we can get cheap booze and create more minimum wage jobs in the process. Screw that.

Oh and @ Dan in Van... read my first post carefully, the profits from the LDB go into the Ministry of Housing and Social Development. Guess what... it goes into building low income housing and funds the addiction programs for those who fall to alcoholism. What better use for the money that we are supposedly being raped of?

And while I'm at it, for those who complain about the selection of product, the LDB employs the first Western Canadian to achieve the Master of Wine designation, and the only female MW in Canada. She is a hard sell, and only brings in quality products that can be secured in quantity. Who better to be picking the wine for the LDB's shelves?
 
Dan in Van
Let's see: the revenue from liquor sales is $900 million and the government spends nearly $300 million. If the government got rid of the LDB, but taxes remained the same, revenue from liquor sales would still be $900 million. A more efficient private system would cause the government to receive MORE money for social programs.

Clearly there are a lot of vested interests in maintaining the current system (I imagine some posters here make money off this system).

The net result of the LDB is that a minority of people benefit from these special union privileges. But the hard working minimum wage earners of BC are denied the pleasure of enjoying a reasonably priced glass of wine or beer.

The current system is elitist and should be changed for the greater good.



 
Gí¶lí¶k Z Buday
Sick fascism. Privatize It!
 
Private Liquor in Vancouver
Looks like the BC Liquor union scum are out in force now trying to defend their jobs. Suggestion to union, take a trip to Europe to see how people shop for wine in grocery stores. An excellent idea

Now bring on the fight to privatize BC. BC is stuck in the 1920's time capsule with outdate laws.

Piss off unions. Ready to fight...a big middle finger to you.
 
Steven
Fun to see the prividleged members of the BCLDB union trying to protect their priviledged positions by wrapping themselves in the flag of protecting government incomes for social services. How is it the the rest of the free world protects manages to protect it most vuneralble citizens without the benefit of a provincial liquor monopoly?

Obvioulsy this is a self serving agruement and belongs like provincail monopolies in the dust bin of history.

Name one business that is better run by a government than by priviate individuals?

Unforttunatley for the unions members there is not one.

 
glen p robbins
Notwithstanding the cost of the labyrinth related to liquor sales, ICBC - WCB and other 'work' - there must be sufficient monies raised from the taxation of liquor sales to pay for the proliferating social costs including of course health care and the myriad of new cancers associated with liquor consumption. The World Health Organization has come out recently saying that over consumption of alcohol is the fastest increasing problem for all governments in the democratized world.

10-12% of British Columbia's population are responsible for nearly 50% of the consumption of alcohol - while - 50% of the population drinks very little or not at all.

Not ironically-- 8-15% of the population of British Columbia is alcohol dependent or has a problem with alcohol consumption. The average heavy drinker is actually of higher annual income (though the perception is of the rubby dub). The average problem drinker - who is of higher income and who consumes much of the annual sales of alcohol is also the source of the major social cost associated with alcohol of about $3,000-$3,500 per year per person for health care - criminal - etc.

So - absent the calculations relating to the bureaucracy - the person consuming the alcohol makes more money than average and costs money in health etc. If taxes on alcohol are decreased - we are therefore subsidizing the alcoholic and problem drinker - when the bureaucracy is ex the discussion.

Rich Coleman doesn't come to the debate with clean hands - he comes from the liquor industry and is their friend. To be brutally frank - he is also a poster person for a somewhat unhealthy appearing person---which further hurts his credibility anywhere near this subject matter - whether he likes to drink alcohol or not.

For 50% of the population who drinks little - its cost is not a factor - the folks concerned about its cost are naturally those whose budgets are directly influenced by their heavier consumption and their nearly exclusive burden on the system.

The social cost of alcohol must be paid for by the people who use it----I don't support the lowering of taxes on alcohol.

 
In the know
It really comes down to whether you want to give your money to a Government Monopoly which has Social Responsibility and efficiency as it's primary goal ... the money goes back into BC ... or a Private Monopoly and Consortiums where profit is everything, Social Responsibility is a secondary concern and the money goes out of the Province.

Alcohol is the Grand-Daddy of all addictive drugs and it will never be subject to "free market". Keep it under the LDB.
 
Juan Luna Ibarrizto
Like CPD says, "I would much rather have the profits in the hands of our government to fund programs than a bunch of private liquor barons." So true. Liquor Barn, Liquor Depot, or Liquor Heaven will make the money and let the province pay for the medical and social costs of driiinkinng.

That is what happened in Alberta. Ontario kept the liquor distribution under the government control. Do you hear any comments from Ontarians?

 
lee guy
I am torn about this issue. I am a home brewer, I brew from grain and grow my own hops. Cost me 8 - 12 cents, yes cents a bottle for ingredients, power, etc. Paid off the equipment long time ago, figure my set up costs me about $200 with scrounging. Takes about 5 hours of work per batch including bottling and cleaning. Most of that is watching water boil... Not that tough to do.

Now, I have seen the Alberta situation and it is tough in smaller centres to get some of the better beers. Prices are a bit better on mass market stuff, but the same on many other things.

btw, Dan in Van, think you need to look at your figures again. IF the gov kept the taxes and mark-up the same (to generate that $900), then private companies would have to ADD to the price in order to both cover the cost of the stores and a profit.

Yes, in theory the government would save some bucks, but the consumer would be spending more.

The only way you will see a significant saving is if the government is willing to take a significant reduction.
 
Marianne
Those people ringing me up at the liquor store make $23 an hour? You're f***** kidding me. Do you realize that nannies in this province -- whom we all have to hire because daycare has a 36-month waiting list -- make $12-15 an hour? I imagine those people in daycare make a similar wage to nannies -- and our BC Liquor Store cashiers are making $23 a hour?!

So we need to pay the people mindlessly ringing up alcohol twice as much as the people who are raising the next generation (because in Vancouver, no mother can afford to stay home with her child if she expects to afford her housing)? You're kidding me.

Seriously, Rich Coleman, Jay Chambers, all of you government hacks...I'm buying what alcohol I need abroad. I'm not paying the salaries of people who make $23 an hour just for scanning bar codes. When you reform daycare up here, and show me that BC's insane alcohol taxes are going to pay for it, then I'll reconsider, but until then, I might as well save my own money to pay the nanny I HAVE to have, because I've been on a daycare waitlist (with priority!) for nearly three years, and have my alcohol sales taxes support Washington state, or Australia, or Germany, or France.
 
Riley23
So much misinformation. Wages were rolled back at the LDB years ago as part of the new collective agreements, those 20-23 per hours starting wages do not exist any more.

I am an Agent and I supply alcohol product to the system. What is most disappointing is the attitude of the BCLDB when it comes to ideas, marketing proposals and innovation within their stores. They also on a regular basis support and market big brands and the Agencies who represent them. They do not actually work with smaller brands to develop them AT ALL. Big players are their favorites even though helping a small brand be big is in their interest in terms of sales revenue. How can they help? In store displays of products is a start. On-line sales is another very big area.

We think the LDB mark up is too high despite that fact the funds build schools and finance hospitals..it's simply too high.

I would really prefer to see a modernized LDB not an abolished one. I would prefer to see a bigger discount for restaurants and private stores.
 
hardworker
Riley23 is right, there is so much misinformation and incorrect information. Just look at the media, truth can be difficult to find.

First , restaurants lost their discount when our government brought in the HST! LRS's didn't.

Second, "Marianne"get your facts straight! You may only see the employees mindlessly scanning bar codes but how do you think the product actually gets on the shelf?
As for $23 wage, maybe for someone who has been with the LDB for years but not new hires!

I would rather see my taxes go toward our social services/medical programs/education rather than straight into the pockets of large corporations outside of BC!
 
hardworker
and for Ali- what about gas prices??? why do they pay less for our gas in the US than we do here?
 
glen p robbins
There are many sides to this story. Who uses the alcohol? - cost of alcohol - social cost of alcohol and the issue of free markets and alcohol.

On the latter angle - I do not believe there is any proof of a true free market in this country - unless Lee Guy is able to sell his homemade to others and make a profit. I would support Lee the most - except if Lee's home brew poisoned someone or made someone otherwise sick - I would then support him least. Should alcohol be regulated in any way? Should BC wine and beer producers be able to sell directly to consumers--so long as they contribute to social costs?

If we agree with regulation - then who does the regulating?

Government is supposed to represent the people - in theory they are the better choice - but does government really represent the people--I mean do they -- really--at all times and in all circumstances//even though clearly the people pay the whole of the freight?

If social costs are an issue - then there is theoretically at least a closer correlation between government (health care) (criminal courts) -- public safety and distribution of liquor.

How could private interests do this better? I doubt they could---
 
remote
I read through all the comments. It seems that there are a lot more well informed people than I realize. Although, the negative rants seem to be from those who simpley wants to buy cheap booze. Whenever you or someone you care about need any publicly funded assistance, medical, etc. think of where that money comes from. I don't drink and I have made use of the social services in the past that I couldn't afford on my own. Frankly, I couldn't care less about the liquor price as long as there are some good from it.

I choose to buy product from small local farmers even though the prices are higher. I choose to do this because I want to support small farmers. Share the wealth and don't be so stingy and selfish,

I don't agree with some of the antiquated beauracracy of the LDB but the rest of it does some good in regulating underaged drinking, drinking and driving and many social programs.

As to Alberta, I hear first hand experience of more negatives than positives of privatization, especially with the giant liquor companies.

I think this article is slanted towards a more self-serving purpose than looking at the whole picture. I'm glad I don't drink but, hell, I hate having to pay higher prices for organic products. But if it helps the "smaller" people, so be it. No system is perfect.


 
M E Richards
As a Vancouverite who has lived in the UK for the past almost-15 years, I buy my wine and spirits in several ways: from the grocery stores (which have their own wine buyers, it's not all cheap jug wine); from various wine merchants, both cheap-and-cheerful and specialist; from wine 'warehouses', where you have to buy at least six bottles (but they don't have to be 6 of the same wine, and deals can be had for buying multiples); and online, from such organizations as the Sunday Times Wine Club, The Wine Society, and many other organizations which may specialize, say, in wines from a particular country/region. I am appalled at the cost of wines in BC when I visit family (the dollar/pound relationship notwithstanding), and the fact it is totally controlled by a government organization, in a supposed 'free trade' sponsoring country. As to the fact that yes, people in smaller communities may suffer from lack of government liquor stores, I mentioned again ONLINE SALES. Why for the love of god is this not allowed. BC, and in fact Canada in general, has appeared to me, as a current ex-pat, as not a terrible modern country, no matter what the government hopes and think.
 
Steve Y
Average gas stations in the US have better selections of beer than BC Signature liquor stores at 1/3 of the price. You can get a nice bottle of wine at whole foods (not known for their low prices) for $3. I'm allowed to have a beer on a street or a beach in europe. Let's face it, Canada sucks for responsible adults.
 
Val V
I read the article thoroughly looking for a mention of 'corkage'. Oregon and California allow corkage at their restaurants which greatly benefits the wine industry.
A fee is charged, most often $10, with special days or options when the fee is complimentary.
Here in BC that is not allowed with the agency sighting safety as the reason.
Seeing you can only buy wine that has passed through the agencies hands it seems ridiculous that you can't take your own wine to a restaurant and pay a fee for the privilege.
Some restaurants have great food but can't afford to keep a wine list that matches or compliments the dining experience.
This is unfortunate and one would hope that the new Liberals might take note.
 
Burgundyboy
The archaic laws and stiff government taxes are the worst in the world.
The MW just started her job recently and is very quality driven. The laws and taxes are not her jurisdiction. It's the government filling the coffers. If the prices of inexpensive wines were slightly elevated they could drop the prices of the premium wines that are sold in small volumes. It's an alcohol tax and the alcohol is almost the same amount in each bottle.
 
Say no to Mc Jobs
Higher end wines and liquor are less in Alberta due to the gov't there using a flat tax system.BC uses a sliding scale tax that increases with the wholesale price of the product.Thus the difference in shelf price.
I can bet those people that work for $10-$12 an hour in Liquor Depot etc. have their eyes on a home purchase and college for their kids in their future.
Slamming people that make a liveable wage is ridiculous.There is no crime in being able to support your family and the economy, and pay taxes to help those less fortunate.
Ever noticed how many BC private liquor stores (not wine stores) constantly have help wanted signs in their windows?
Then there is always the great staff morale and product knowledge.I' ve always said "you can only get an elephant to work for peanuts".
As far as the number crunching goes 'Figures don't lie, but liars can figure".
 
Bigger picture
This article is brought to you by the BC Restaurant and Foodservices Association, lol. Great job in capuring the anger out there, and appealing to the people's wallets in order to rally support.
If I were a liquor baron who wanted to lobby the government to privatize, that's how I would do it.
But seriously, do we all think that prices of liquor will be reduced by, for example 30%, if the taxes were lowered by 30% or resaurants got 30% discounts? These people running businesses are not stupid. They will make 30% more, because they know you are already willing and able to pay it.


 
Big Bad Union
Are we forgetting that Labor Union efforts have standardized many workforce regulations, including the 40-hour workweek, overtime pay, paid leave, unemployment benefits and health insurance for full-time employees? Safety standards are also higher at Union run businesses.
Unions raise the incomes of blue-collar workers more than white-collar workers, increasing the chances for lower-class individuals to join the middle class, become homeowners and send their children to college.

Private Liquor can sit on his middle finger. It's not the first time the Union has fought for the good of everyone, and it won't be the last.


 
MortimerSnerd
.... our liquor laws cost us more than most realize... the usury prices we pay for those 1oz watered down drinks in the bars and pubs make tourists who don't want to be ripped off, think twice before buying a drink or a bottle of wine with a meal. A 'drink', if you can call it that, costs anywhere from $5.50 to $8.. bars are not allowed to 'free pour' as in the States... Such policies kill tourism...not to mention the usury ferry prices and and there isn't much else we on Vancouver Island have to offer.
 
Ajjau
I just wonder, if the LDB system was such a good idea, why haven't other countries in the world copied our system? Oh that right, because other nations tend to treat their citizens as adults and tend to trust their shopkeepers to be responsible.

I find this topic to be one of culture... Specifically one of a lack of trust in the adults of this province.
 
Mordor
Our province has two founding peoples... The British (English and Scottish mostly) and the First Nations... Both peoples with a reputation for awful alcohol abuse and a culture of binge drinking... Much more so than many other peoples... Trust me, I know.. I'm an apple... Half white and half Haida...

The drinking culture in BC is one that is unhealthy and leads folks to believe that strict government control is a necessity.

Fix the culture and then we can look into liberalizing liquor retail to what the majority of the world has...
 
Lawrence
I just spent 2 months in Europe. I have never seen a beer for more than $2. Bottles of wine go for as cheap as 50 cents whether in Russia or England. BC is ridiculous.
 
Singlemaltlover
Ardbeg 10 year old is one of the best single malts in the world. The price in Washington State is $50 U.S. The price in B.C. liquor stores is $94. The private store price in B.C. is over $100. Welcome to B.C.
 
Mike Rogers
I used to drink Crown Royal when I lived in Japan. The price of an imported 750 ml bottle at a specialty shop in Japan is $12. Here, it is $26.50 from the LDB.
This needs to change. And we need to be the ones to force the change. Let's be vocal about this.
 
Jackie Cooke
@namewithheld. Would appreciate knowing who you are, but anyways, I know the system and the people well enough to know who owns these new stores. So, no, they are not part of Depot or Co-op. Also, I am sure there are numerous independents you could shop at without having to drive to the NW when coming from the SE. I'd be happy to offer assistance if need be.
 
Private Liquore now!!
Wouldn't it be nice to be able to buy a bottle of wine at Wholefoods with groceries at the same time in one transaction. Then later enjoying that bottle at the beach with a picnic lunch on a sunny.

Government can still collect tax for liquor sold in private companies.. It is called a sales tax. They can add another sales tax called BC Liquor tax.

Government run stores have no place in a free market economy.

This endless debate about proctecting a bunch of union jobs and government revenue for social services is pointless in a free market economy.

What were the lawmakers thinking in the 1920's?
 
glen p robbins
A person should be able to purchase beer or wine at a recognized convenient store - just pay tax on it.

 
Matt D
I recently travelled through California, Washington, and Oregon, and got a taste of how it might feel to not be completely thrashed by taxes every time I went to enjoy an adult beverage. A point that has not been raised is that if the government didn't run our Liquor Cartel, it might encourage more local production and the micro-brew / micro-still / small-run winery might have a chance to flourish in a freer environment where specialty stores could cater to a growing market for craft products. So this could offset the doomsday job losses, and by the way, privately owned stores will still need knowledgeable employees and if the wages have gone down from $22 (according to employees posttings), they won't be much different privately anyways now that the minimum wage is up.

People, including myself, are so used to the social engineering and public profiteering of our grandma state, that they can't see that there are other ways of handling this than maintaining the sky-highest liquor prices in North America and paying for a government cartel to manage them. Sadly BCers are so used to watching their money fly out of their pockets to god-knows-where, that it's gonna be hard for this to gain any traction.

Great article, sad state of affairs. I guess I'll just save my recreation dollars up and go to the US for my grown-up activities. Too bad I'm rarely encouraged to enjoy food and drink on the town here. Life is good sober, don't get me wrong, but a great drink at the right price is one of the finer aspects of modern life. #firstworldproblems
 
cranky mom
This model will be the same one they use when they finally decriminalize marijuana. depresssing. I don't mind paying my fair share of taxes. What I find so offensive is how they mismanage the money.

 
 
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