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East Vancouver tenants challenge explicit orders to remove their garden

Jodi Peters and Jeffery Radke are fighting back against orders to tear down their garden.

Matthew Burrows

Tenants challenge explicit orders to remove their veggie patch.

By Matthew Burrows,

Two gardening renters in East Vancouver are headed to provincial arbitration on September 30. This will come after their landlords demanded they dig up their extensive vegetable garden, and remove a greenhouse and rain barrel, along with other instructions sent in writing on August 5 and 14.

“It was like an absolute slap in the face,” Jodi Peters, project coordinator with the Environmental Youth Alliance and an avid gardener, told the Georgia Straight while sitting in the back yard of their multi-unit dwelling at 1922 Adanac Street. “It [the first letter] was worded very harshly and quite insultingly, given the amount of time and care that we’ve put into this garden, with absolutely no room for negotiation. It was handed down like the law.”

At issue is Peters’s claim that she and her boyfriend, Jeffery Radke, agreed to rent because they were explicitly told they would be allowed to garden to feed themselves year-round. The couple did not formalize this in written form, only verbally, but have gardened since moving into the large, 102-year-old house in November 2009.

The couple are refusing to take out the garden. Management for Taryn Court Apartments, owners of the building, told them they will tear up the garden if it is still there on September 18 and replace it with lawn.

Radke, an arborist who also does part-time bicycle-safety education for schoolchildren, finds recent developments “heart-wrenching”.

“This [garden] is why we moved here,” Radke said. “It’s a nice apartment, but the value to us is greatly diminished. I’m not interested in grassy lawns. We have a green, grassy lawn in the front. We have a green, grassy lawn a block away at the park.”

Peters said she and Radke have already filed an application for dispute resolution with the Residential Tenancy Office, and she claimed they have suffered a “loss of service” as stipulated in the Residential Tenancy Act. They want a reduction in rent that will reflect the losses they will incur if their garden and greenhouse are destroyed and their winter crops are uprooted.

Veteran housing activist Tom Durning of the Tenant Resource and Advisory Centre told the Georgia Straight by phone that he hopes the adjudicator rules in favour of the renters.

“It’s part of the contract,” Durning said. “They’ve allowed them to do it and they’re taking it away. They can’t take it away. If they didn’t want any gardening, they should have said that right from the very beginning. But you can’t give it to someone and then take it away, because it’s part of their implied contract.”

Jack Pereira, building manager for Taryn Court Apartments, told the Straight the actions undertaken against the renters in this case were necessary.

“First of all, when they rent, they didn’t say they were gardening and doing a business there, and doing gardening and growing some tomatoes,” Pereira said by phone. “They asked if they could take care of the garden or maintain the garden, not growing the garden and putting in a greenhouse there.”

Pereira added: “If they had asked to have done gardening and put in tomatoes and grow all that stuff, we wouldn’t rent it to them; the company wouldn’t rent it to them.”

However, Peters maintained that issues such as peak oil and peak food will have an ever greater impact on tenants like her and others down the road.

“We take our food very seriously,” she said. “We are definitely into local food security, and it feels like the most ethical thing we can do is to produce as much food as we can for ourselves and our neighbours.”

“Enlightened landlords usually get enlightened tenants,” Durning said, and allowing renters to garden fosters positive relations.

“But that doesn’t have any impact on the hearing; it’s strictly contractual,” Durning added. “What did the tenants contract? What did the landlord contract with them? What rights did he allow them to have? And under our tenancy law and contract law, you can’t take that away.”

Comments

Sheep
Stay away from Tribunals, the Courts Small Claims is the way to go.

The Tenancy Tribunals usually side with the Landlord.
 
Shawn
loaded in landowners favour unless they filed 1st - sounds like they did - watch out for the language in the meeting - they could agree to something that has them evicted
 
MarkBowen
I hope they win. Who wants to tear up gardens anyhow? They make communities feel more vibrant and alive, not to mention their obvious practicality.

What good does grass do, besides give dogs a place to shit?
 
JoeD
Not sure what the issue is for the landlord? What's wrong with growing food verses plain boring grass patch lawn?
 
GOT
it's hard to imagine landlords as being so utterly stupid, but they are...so they'll get rid of good tenants who obviously are taking care of the place, and who or what will they get next? Sounds to me like something else is behind the landlord's behaviour - the garden is probably just an excuse to get rid of the tenants so he can get new ones and jack up the rent. An intelligent landlord would negotiate that the garden would be left in a certain way when the tenants vacated - and if lawn is what he wants, lawn they can give him. It's not a big problem, but the landlord wants to turn it into one. Why?
 
Marianne
Be sure to file an order against the landlords as well, like a counter suit if you are going to use arbitration. If you don't have that order, the landlord does tend to win. Keep insisting that you had a verbal contract about the garden. Agree that you would be willing to take down the greenhouse, as it doesn't sound like permission was granted to put it up. I empathize with you and wish you good luck in your case, please keep the strait posted on the outcome!
 
wendy keating
My grandmother lived in east van from 1942 til she passed away in the early 1990's. When I visited from the prairies
(where my paternal side of the family were/are all farmers & food producers) we strolled the neighbourhood every evening with her dog. Almost every back yard had beans, tomatoes and many other veggies in the large back yard gardens. These were many immigrant families and folks like my grandma who had been thru two world wars and a depression. They had learned how to take care of themselves and their families so they wouldn't be a burden on 'the system'.
Whatever is wrong with the people opposing food production??
Over here on Van Is we are fighting a coal mine project which could negatively impact the world renowned oyster farms of Fanny Bay in Baynes Sound. Ya just can't eat money!


 
Ronald
"...The couple are refusing to take out the garden. Management for Taryn Court Apartments, owners of the building, told them they will tear up the garden if it is still there on September 18 and replace it with lawn...."

They probably shouldn't do that if there's arbitration hearing pending. If that garden is removed prior to arbitration, the landlords must be filed against.


“First of all, when they rent, they didn’t say they were gardening and doing a business there, and doing gardening and growing some tomatoes,” Pereira said by phone."

I don't understand, "and doing a business there" -- is he accusing them of running a commercial garden?

Any evidence of that accusation? Or is the statement evidence of poor English?

And how can a guy named Pereira be against "and doing gardening and growing some tomatoes"? Isn't that a time-honoured Italian and Portuguese tradition, often brilliantly exhibited here in Vancouver?



Sorry, but I fear the greenhouse is gonna have to go. Unfortunately, as I'm considering one (now re-considering) for this rental property.

I hope the tenants move on, and the next ones are absolute nightmares for the landlords, they sound like pricks, frankly.
 
Jenny Fur
Looks like the landlord is trying to drive out the hippies.

 
Priscilla Judd
Subsistence agriculture was the dominant mode of production in the world until recently, when market-based capitalism became widespread.

Self-sufficiency refers to the state of not requiring any outside aid, support, or interaction, for survival; it is therefore a type of personal or collective autonomy.

The term is also applied to limited forms of self-sufficiency, for example growing one's own food or becoming economically independent of state subsidies.
also
The right to food is protected under international human rights and humanitarian law and the correlative state obligations are equally well-established under international law.

The right to food is recognized in the Universal Declaration on Human Rights and the International Covenant on Economic, Social and Cultural Rights (ICESCR), as well as a plethora of other instruments. Noteworthy is also the recognition of the right to food in numerous national constitutions.

“the right to adequate food is realized when every man, woman and child, alone and in community with others, has physical and economic access at all times to adequate food or means for its procurement"

It is generally accepted that the right to food implies three types of state obligations - the obligation to respect, protect and to fulfill.

It would seem that the Government appointed Tribunal is being asked to decide on a matter that is not entirely within the jurisdiction of the Landlord/Tenant legislation.

Knowing the high cost of housing in Vancouver and the heavy use of Food Banks - self sufficiency is a goal for the community. The tenants appear to have historical rights to feed themselves and they have the support of the International Community. Until Canadians began to rely of the petrochemical industry (which now has a limited life span) food security was a big part of our culture and it looks like it food gardens and subsistence farming is to be the new trend.

links:
http://www.righttofood.org/
http://www.righttofood.org/new/html/WhatRighttofood.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Self-sufficiency
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Subsistence_farming
 
SBarton
Huge 'dislike' next to the name Taryn Court Apartments. Gee would they rather have a grow op? I think they're lucky to have tenants who want to grow vegetables.
 
Richard Eis
This is the inherent problem with renting from stupid, greedy people.

But yknow...lawns...they die very easily if they aren't cared for properly... and they look real ugly when dying. Even more ugly than giant dull green squares. Just sayin.
 
kjohnston
the landlords have had since 2009 when the tenants moved in and started their garden to say something but they waited full two summers of food production to then have an issue with it which in essence should weaken the case the landlords are bringing forth.
Sounds like either one, the landlords are trying to evict to either jack up the rent with new tenants or two they have been approached by a developer.
Either way the law is on the tenants side.
 
Cyndi
I can see both sides. On a personal level I'm in favor of the garden. But having been a homeowner before, I can see that it is the owners right to maintain their property in whatever state they wish provided it's within city regulations. If I owned a place it would be my choice whether to have a lawn or garden- period. (Garden! :-)
 
Save Vancouver
Too bad so sad. Buy your own place if you want to do whatever you want. If you can't afford it move to Regina.
 
Sounds like greed
The one comment that jumped out was that they were "doing a business there" Probably sold a few pounds of tomatos to a neighbour and the landlord want a cut. Shame on those business tycoons for selling a tomato!
 
Jason
Call these people and tell them how you disapprove REALLY I DID dont let these crazy people take away beautiful garden

Please Contact Taryn Court Apartments, Jack and Elizabeth Pereira, managers at 604-879-2238
 
ROOZLE
Ironically Lawns are not very "Green".
 
Kim H.
I lived in East Van my whole life until moving to the Okanagan...here in Osoyoos, in my neighborhood, all you see are gardens... some of them using the entire property! Walking down the road people are always handing out squash, corn, tomatoes...it's a wonderful thing! I handed some tomatoes over the fence the other day and received the biggest smile :) It has the feel of a community, safety, friendship. Not to mention you actually know that there are no pesticides.Sad to read this story. What's wrong with people?
 
cuz
two things - first, it's a multi unit dwelling so these two have no right to take over the yard, much less put up a greenhouse. I mean, before all you guys get down on the landlord, do you know how the other tenants feel??? I didn't think so. Second, these two want a reduction in rent. That's unreasonable and overreaching. I also like how the author of this article included the fact that Radke "does part-time bicycle-education for children". What's that got to do with anything? Except to garner sympathy of course. A ploy of inexperienced "journalists". What it all comes down to is the contract, just like Tom During of the Tenant Resource and Advisory says. But really, it's a bunch of vegetables, everyone should chill out.
 
Ray I
If it was sooooo important why didn't they get it in writing? Lesson learned, move on, nothing to see here.
 
Magic Mike
If you didn't get it in writing on your tenancy agreement, you're not getting it through arbitration. Like the old saying goes: a verbal contract is as good as the paper it's printed on. Read the results of dispute resolutions posted on the RTO website and you'll see that more often than not, the RTO will rule in favor of the landlord. I hope they win but prepare for an eviction next, kids.
 
petr aardvark
I sympathize with them, and I love my own garden as well. However I can understand why landlords sometimes don't want gardens - as they don't get maintained after the tenant moves on and then you have a mass of weeds. I live in East Van and walk see many gardens around the neighbourhood, but also a lot of overgrown lawns full of weeds, which makes me wonder do they expect the landlord to come in and cut the grass for them? I'd rather rent to someone who is into gardening then someone who lets the weeds grow 3 feet high.
 
Illyrian Carrabregu
Landlords and the City want gardens removed and they side with marihuana growers, I bet they get something from them and can't get anything from a garden except a beautiful view.
 
Hmm
Well, I really wanted to side with the tenant here, being a crazy hippie myself, buuuuut if you google the street address, you can see where the landlord is coming from with the whole "business" comment. And as stupid as it is, the building isn't "zoned" for a business, per se. And since everything has to be zoned, by-lawed, and okayed into oblivion these days (can't have a fucking bake sale unless there's someone around with foodsafe. Thank God we'll never have another Cholera Cookie epidemic like back in '86. I know I feel safer!) everyone involved gets put in a shitty legal situation.
 
keestadoll
If it wasn't in the rental agreement/lease, there is no power for the tenant here. They are tenants not owners. I don't know a thing about Canadian renter's rights, but down here in the US, a landlord is only obligated (by law) to provide s "safe" rental to the renter and any other agreement/arrangement between tenant and landlord MUST be on paper. I feel for these people and I'm right there with them as far as growing your own food goes, but this situation isn't like Compassion Farm.
 
nukky
@cuz;
Check the article again. The tenants are only asking for a reduction in rent *if the garden is removed*.
But your point is valid if there are other tenants. Shame the article fails to address that properly, but since it's very much a "poor victims" article, I'm guessing anything the other tenants had to say didn't fit with the sympathy angle.

The main lesson here is never rely on a verbal contract.
 
Donna
I am totally amazed. Why is a garden not allowed? I have always had a small greenhouse and garden. What I don't need, goes to the food bank, or where ever there is a church feeding the homeless and poor. In fact I expanded my garden, to give to those centers.

Good grief!!! During WW11 they planted victory gardens, to make sure our boys had food. What's the difference? Feed yourselves and give what you can, to feed single moms with children, and earning the minimum wage. There is a global shortage of food. There should be gardens, in every nook and cranny of every city.

In BC, valuable farmland is being taken over by urban sprawl. The most valuable farmland in Canada, will be flooded for a hydro dam, in the Peace country. Stupid, stupid politicians, destroying and polluting everything they get their hands on, out of pure greed.

Cities in Japan, China and many other countries, have gardens on roofs and balcony's. Some places, there are community gardens all over the cities. It sure in the hell beats, paying $3.29 per pound for green and red peppers. In BC especially, price gouging is disgusting.
 
Tara Kirschner
On the one hand, if the garden is well maintained, presents no problems to neighbours and is not a commercial operation, and has in fact been in place for some time(years), I don't understand the objection. There is even an allowance for back yard chickens(4, I think). On the other hand, if a neighbour has complained, that complaint should be adressed as this is not a single family dwelling and may impact other families. However, a reasonable compromise should be attainable.
 
Jacked
@Save Vancouver That fact that most middle and low income people can't afford your overpriced town or "buy" a place is the reason people need to start growing more food. Just so they don't have to decide between food or rent every month. Are you one of those boomers who bought everything when it was cheap and sit around complaining about all the poor people around you?
 
Will Lee
It is all about being on the Adanac bike route. They are in an old tenement with fire hazards.
Their story is bunk.
 
Bill Young
The problem these days is that tenants think are entitled to do whatever they please. This is a residential property. How can they even think that they can do what they want in the yard. Its a common area! From what I understand, the landlord has to maintain the property and why do they need to even discuss it. The last time I checked an owner could do as they pleased. As long as it doesn't directly interfere with the tenants immediate living space. If you want to do what you want move and buy your own house. Its that simple. Don't piss off the people that are providing the roof over your head. Shame on this young generation that doesn't want to work for anything but believes that they should be allowed to do whatever they want.
 
 
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