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Vancouver mayor Gregor Robertson joins calls for marijuana legalization

Gregor Robertson has tweeted his support for an end to marijuana prohibition.

Stephen Hui
By Stephen Hui,

Vancouver mayor Gregor Robertson has joined four former mayors in calling for an end to marijuana prohibition.

On Thursday night (November 24), Robertson tweeted: "Good to see 4 Vancouver ex-mayors calling for end of cannabis prohibition. I agree, we need to be smart and tax/regulate."

Robertson's Twitter post follows the release on Wednesday (November 23) of an open letter signed by Sam Sullivan, Michael Harcourt, Larry Campbell, and Philip Owen.

In the letter, the former mayors, which include a former B.C. premier and a current senator among them, urged all elected B.C. politicians to speak out on the "ineffectiveness and harms" of marijuana prohibition.

"Marijuana prohibition is – without question – a failed policy," they wrote. "It is creating violent, gang-related crime in our communities and fear among our citizens, and adding financial costs for all levels of government at a time when we can least afford them. Politicians cannot ignore the status quo any longer; they must develop and deliver alternative marijuana policies that avoid the social and criminal harms that stem directly from cannabis prohibition."

According to the ex-mayors, it's time to tax and regulate the use of marijuana by adults.

"We believe a legally regulated market for adult cannabis use has the potential to reduce rates of cannabis use while at the same time directly addressing organized crime concerns by starving them of this cash cow," they stated. "A regulated market would enable governments to improve community health and safety while at the same time raising millions in tax revenue."

With his now-tweeted stance on marijuana, Robertson might endear himself to the self-styled "Prince of Pot", imprisoned marijuana activist Marc Emery.

“In my hometown Vancouver you get a Mayor seeking re-election who was, as far as I understand, an active member of our culture in the north Gulf Islands once upon a time, but you never hear him stand up for us as a culture,” Emery had stated in an article posted on Cannabis Culture on November 11.

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Comments

Mark Fornataro
Since Mayor Robertson is Chair and spokesman for the VPD, hopefully then he can convince the police that precious time and resources wasted on busting harmless folks for pot could instead be better spent protecting the vulnerable of society, such as the women who would still be alive if the police had been serious many years ago about arresting Robert Pickton.
 
Komodo
Amen.
 
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Chantal
Tax - no. Regulate - no. Just decriminalize it!
 
Rony Demers
Good on him. Maybe one day scientific evidence and logic will be used to form legislation in this great country of ours. Until then.....
 
NoLeftNutter
One simple topic so much stupidity. There is no business case that would allow any government to legislate, tax and regulate pot so that it could be sold competitively in the market. Johnny's grow opp down the street will always offer better quality for less money than any government could. Stop the stupid comparisons to alcohol, if people could produce comparable product in home stills there'd be huge illegal production of it as well. Jeez.
 
marijuana mummy
The regulations have already started. It does not take much effort to get a medical marijuana license. Perhaps this is the testing grounds for future plans of taxation and regulation.
 
darkcycle
It is interesting that many ex-politicians and ex- police officers are coming out for marijuana legalization. Perhaps we should be asking why is it that these former officials are willing to speak up only after they have left office? Or, more accurately: Why is it that a public figure is unable to stand for good public policy while they are in position to influence it? That there are commercial and institutional interests in maintaining this unworkable prohibition seems manifest, yet how can a policy that at it's core violates every precept of justice we hold dear continue? Mexico and Columbia's presidents both seem to be moving towards a different perspective, why is it still impossible for an elected or appointed official in the supposedly free United States and Canada to take a stand that the drug war has failed? Hmmm?
 
john smith
darkcycle taking the words out of my mouth. These politicos know its safe to spout off like this cause the rabble will lap it up, while the real authorities just ignore them. It will never be legalized in Canada until the US does so & that won't happen anytime soon. If we were to legalize it, the US would shut the border down & collapse our economy
 
Birdy
Yeah, let's have the government regulate marijuana the same way they regulate tobacco, that way they can fill our weed with dangerous chemicals to keep us safe. Oh wait, they already did, when the federal government grown "medicinal" weed was tested it was found to be contaminated with high levels of lead and arsenic. I trust criminal street gangs about 500 times more than any government.

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stop the prob
"NoLeftNutter". You could not be more wrong. Johnny's grow-op would be illegal. The Gov't pot store would be legal. Most would buy from legal source. It is EXACTLY the same as alcohol. The comparisons are fully warranted.
 
Tim Holloway
I think this is a great idea, and I hope more cities in Canada try to legalize marijuana. I don't especially like marijuana (never tried it) but it's an absolute waste of resources to enforce laws that protect no-one.

I think I disagree with you, NoLeftNutter. Wineries do create the best stuff as far as alcohol, and from what I hear, medical-grade pot is the BEST pot EVER!
 
Vincent
Must have forgotten to mention this small detail in his re-election campaign, what a turd.
 
NoLeftNutter
stp - you sure are confused. It we legalize it than nobody will focus on Johnny's grow opp, why would we? And, if he can sell an ounce of his two-toke shit for $10 and government wants to sell you their mild and mellow shit for $5 a gram where are you going to shop? All legalization will do is mask the illegal and very profitable business that Johnny has.
 
Komodo
Regulation doesn't mean governments growing the marijuana - it means having rules involving the substance.(ie. quality control, safe growing environments, etc.) Think of alcohol regulations..... no the government isn't brewing everything you drink.

Fucking think before you speak.
 
stop the prob
NLN - Your argument is VERY weak. First of all, the gov't store will have the Primo bud just like they have $300 bottles of wine for those who want it. They will have it all. And Nobody is going to look for Bootleg Bud just to get a better deal. They will prefer to keep it legal. I don't see too many Bootleg Alcohol establishments making the news lately. But during prohibition they were everywhere.
 
Alfred E. Neuman
No Gordo? (Having High Tea in London)
 
Jacked
Harper just said it'll never happen on his watch. He'd rather smoke a kitten.
 
StephanieMB
Its about time we consider this option! Its a great source of revenue, and lets be honest, a large % of the population smokes pot. Prohibition is never the answer. People should always have a choice. In my opinion, the effects of alcohol are much worse, the devastation of alcohol has ruined my family. Lets break through and be the first place in north america to legalize this, I'm sure other places will follow us once they see the benefit. In these tough times in the global economy, and things are only going to get tougher, we have to get creative.
 
NoLeftNutter
prob - you're still wrong, the government will never stock the primo becasue supplying pot with devastating potency will create a crack in the justice systems that sounds like this - "It's legal your honour and I only took one toke therefore I can't be responsible for my actions"...Left leaning, bleeding heart judge - "Case dismissed".

Komodo, if you honestly think the BC government can afford all that regulation and oversight expense then you need to reread my comments about the business case.
 
Gentleman Jack
NLN, you've not provided any data---I have to ask, are you one of the people who would be threatened by legalization? As someone who's watched 'the debate' for quite some time, I find that the people who bring up the 'government will only sell bunk weed' argument tend to be growers who're afraid that their lack of straight credentials will mean an end to easy money. It seems almost wholly imagined, as a way to denigrate an obviously rational idea.

Your argument is about as rational as saying they won't sell scotch under a regulated market, only beer/wine.
 
nurse
If cigarettes cause lung damage don't roaches? I forgot, deep thinker, Mayor Moonbeam smokes pot. Excuse meeee!
 
Randy Bayley
I took pain prescribed medication four years which was very hard on my body which caused a variety of negative side effects. I also work in facilities which are allowing clients with cancer, ms and other diseases to use marajuana as a pain medication. The effect of using marajuana as a pain medication does not interfere with other medications and is far superior to prescribed pain medicine and much easier on the liver and digestive system.
 
darkcycle
Regulation can look different depending on how it is approached. The regulation of very legal codiene and mophine is quite different than the scheme that regulates beer and wine. Or for that matter tobacco. Absent the agricultural subsidy structure that regulates every aspect of American tobacco production, grading and sale, there is no reason to expect that the model will resemble tobacco.
NLN, the potency of pot has not substantially changed in the last thirty years. What has changed is the nature and quality of the pot siezed. Never mentioned in discussions of potency are the confounding facts that until about 1982-6 most of the pot siezed was mexican brick weed. Thats because generally only the largest siezurers were subjected to testing because of it's expense. As testing became cheaper, and subsequently more widespread, the small siezures were tested as well. At the same time, the wide spread use of paraquat on mexican fields caused a shift away from the lower quality, cheap mexican weed to domestic weed of higher quality. It is always more profitable to grow a lot of O.K. weed than a little good weed. The best weed in the world, bar none is found in the land race strains of Asia and Afghanistan, they have been breeding this plant for it's medicinal quality for a thousand years at least. It is supreme arrogance to believe we've improved on their efforts in any substanial way. You're not really wrong, NLN, you have been processing bad information. You seem smart, but you've digested some bad info. Read a little on the topic, find the good information, it's everywhere, and reach your own conclusions- don't let them be spoon fed to you.
Prohibition as a public policy is an epic fail. Even it's supporters acknowledge this. There are lots of reasons why, but no amount of doubling down on a bad bet will recoup your wager.
 
Michael Castanaveras
NoLeftNutter, I'll fix your crappy example for you: "That Jack Daniel's is legal your honour and I only drank one glass therefore I can't be responsible for drinking, driving, and killing"...Judge - "Son, you're going to jail for a long time". See how well that works?
 
Legalization will see rise in other crime
Gregor is DREAMING if he seriously thinks that legalizing marijuana is going to result in the gangsters packing it in and 'going straight'. They are career ciminals/opportunists. There WILL BE a sharp rise in some other form of criminal activity.
 
darkcycle
We need to leave NoLeftNutter alone. I imagine it must be difficult going through life with only one testicle.
 
A. MacInnis
Darkcycle, damn you for beating me to that.
 
Leo Wang
I think politicians are unable to create jobs and growth to increase tax revenues. Instead they are desperatly try to get money from more casinos and now drugs. How would Gregor Robertson feel if his children start smoking weeds legally? And would that bring in more tax revenue for goverment? just look at how it works for cigarette. Cigarette is legal and heavily taxed. There are tons of cigarette smuggling into Canada each year. Not to mention more will be spent on drug related health care than tax colleced....stupid..can they do the math?
 
Birdy
re: darkcycle
"Prohibition as a public policy is an epic fail. Even it's supporters acknowledge this"

True, but public policy itself is the greater failure, something even the victims of public policy often refuse to acknowledge. The most flagrant immorality in the picture is the group of people who have claimed the right to initiate violence against peaceful people based on whether or not they own some dried plant material.

The problem isn't that in this specific case the plant is harmless. The problem is a group of people running around enforcing their opinions with violence, kidnapping harmless people because they disagree with them. The distinction is important.

Should we legalize it, should we tax it, none of that matters until this question is dealt with: "Is it moral to kidnap and cage people you disagree with despite the fact they've not harmed or defrauded anyone?"

If you're in favor of regulation, you are answering "yes" to this question, as regulations are enforced with the threat of kidnapping. I say let's liberate marijuana, not legalize and regulate, and let's criminalize kidnapping people for "crimes" with no victims.
 
rhea
The results of this poll crack me up. 93% in favour of legalization! I swear you could have asked Do You Like Mountains? and you wouldn't have gotten as high a response. These kind of numbers tell politicians all they need to know about how to gain public support.
 
Point of Order
@No left......

The only people who are totally against legalization, taxation, etc.... are the people who have the most to lose. IE: The criminals that produce and sell by the ton, and the Agencies that justify their budgets by enforcing unwinable laws.

Which are you?

"I suspect that the queen doth protest too much".
 
Goldorak
Does he need more brain damaged voters or is he planning some production of his own?
 
John Vee
Noleftnutter and some others here are making an important point that all the "regulate and taxers" are dismissing, but they shouldn't be.

Pot is easy to grow. Why would I buy it at ANY price if I could grow it in my back garden? In a climate of legal possession, EVERYONE would grow it, legal or not!

Anyone can grow first-rate, primo bud basically for free. Legalisation means the bottom drops out of the market.

Tomatoes cost $1.99 a pound and yet many people still grow their own. Bud costs $2,200 a pound and is as easy to grow as tomatoes.

Connect the dots.

 
Goldorak
Birdy, when the stoned will add to the drunk and distracted drivers...
 
A. MacInnis
John Vee - of COURSE prices would go down in a climate of legalization, but still, just as many people DO buy their tomatoes at stores, legalizing pot won't destroy the market for the stuff. I mean, it's easy enough NOW to grow pot, if you're inclined - but people still choose to buy it. You seem to think that current laws actually have a deterrent effect, but those of us who use marijuana who are NOT growing our own, I assure you, are doing so out of laziness and lack of talent with plants, not fear of the law. We will not suddenly become more inspired as gardeners when that law changes.

Birdy - nice little libertarian argument there. Good points, all.
 
Feldwebel Wolfenstool
All those smart Pigs with their 65% average Grade 12 educations think that Pot instantly turns normal people into criminals, thieves, kiddy-diddlers, junkies, homosexuals, adulterers, tax-evaders, horse thieves, claim jumpers and cattle thieves. Besides, what the hell are we going to do with the LEGIONS of cops, lawyers, judges, jailers and politicians who are all so hopelessly addicted to PAY CHEQUES?
 
John Vee
@A.Macinnis, you're wilfully missing the point. Wrong, many people grow their own. In a more permissive atmosphere, many more would, especially if the back yard rather than indoors was an option. And if every third user was to do this rather than buy, he could cheaply supply the other two.

Once again, in simple words: the alcohol/cigarette comparison is NOT VALID. It's way cheaper, easier and less complex to buy cigarettes and alcohol than to make them at home. I could never produce the quality I can buy at the regulated store.

Manufacture of smokeable pot involves: basic gardening skills to nurture a HARDY FAST-GROWING WEED to flowering stage. Cutting it down. Trimming the leaves. Hanging it to dry for a few days. Cutting it up and transferring it to plastic baggies.

Address that argument, if you would, rather than assuring me that no, it just won't happen.

I'm guessing fear of the law is in most cases the factor that makes regular users opt not to grow. The prospect of jail time is a greater demotivator than laziness. The prospect of saving hundreds of dollars a month on your choice of recreational drug is a strong motivator. The ease of doing it is a strong motivator. Your arguments are spurious.
 
Woof
John, you are oversimplifying. Growing the kind of quantity/quality we're talking about involves more than just throwing some seeds in a garden bed and waiting three months. I know, I've done it. I don't think you'd be saying the things you are, if you'd tried it yourself.

To compare a few plants in the backyard with a commercial growing operation (legal or otherwise) in terms of quality and quantity, is ridiculous on its face.

Try again.
 
A. MacInnis
Thanks for takin' care of that, Woof.
 
NoLeftNutter
All the ideological, brainless nattering going on here reminds me of a phrase from Berke Breathed - "If 2 million penguins do a stupid thing, it's still a stupid thing."
 
Monterey Grrl
The Institute of drugs reported now that the believed 116 million People in america have chronic discomfort and coping a healthcare system that's poorly ready to treat them. Chronic discomfort patients are frequently treated, "with a few prejudice, lots of judgment and regrettably very little informed fact," based on Dr. Philip Pizzo, Stanford University's Dean of drugs. Dr. Pizzo chaired the consensus report, entitled "Reducing Discomfort in the usa: A Blueprint for Changing Prevention, Care, Education, and Research".

Chronic discomfort is reported to cost the country a minimum of $558 billion each year in medical bills, sick days and lost productivity. The report urges government, doctors, and insurance companies to do something to alter the way in which discomfort has been evaluated and treated. The report states that's is much more likely that the discomfort patient has been undertreated instead of overprescribed medicines and remedies. Many discomfort patients condition their doctors dismiss their complaints of discomfort because discomfort is really subjective and frequently doesn't have clinical findings the physician can easily see.

Many chronic discomfort patients find relief by using medicinal marijuana and several discover that they could reduce and sometimes eliminate using discomfort medicines which have toxic unwanted effects and potential addiction issues. "Cannabis-naive" patients (they are individuals who not used at all marijuana within their lifetime) listen to buddies and family or read on the web that medicinal marijuana aids in discomfort. They find great results because they are using cannabis like a medication with the aim of feeling better, less a drug of abuse. The research reveal that marijuana alters your discomfort perception similarly as opiate medicines but with no negative unwanted effects and patients find exactly this experience when utilizing medical cannabis.
 
It's about saving, not making
Those who are arguing that people will still grow pot at home instead of purchasing from the government, if given the option... so what? It shouldn't be legalized for profit, it should be legalized to reduce the COSTS of prohibition.... in bodies, in jailing of innocent civilians, in court time, in policing. Those who wish to grow at home already probably are. Those who wish to purchase from an outside legitimate source, as opposed to violent gangs, will have the option not to inadvertently support serious criminal activity. There is no down-side. So what if people grow in their yards? It's true... people can grow tomatoes in their yards, but I don't see all of the commercial greenhouses crying about it!
 
daskala
I totally disagree with the legalization of marijuana. I have 1 simple reason. Let me explain. I came from meagre means, immigrant parents who consistently taught me to work hard, be kind to others and always respect your elders. In time, I worked hard to afford university and receive a masters degree. I worked for 13 years to afford a down payment on my home - a condo in a great building. I am currently pregnant. If pot was legalized, the neighbour next door could smoke his pot freely. Did I mention his vent is directly connected to the nursery? We used smell it every 1.5 hours. I had awoken from it in the morning, ate with the smell at noon and went to sleep smelling it. We called contacted the police. That put an end to it. Now I can relax and enjoy my home without the nuisance of perpetual stink. I can also rest at night knowing my child will not be subjected to this horrible smell by some burn out next door. If marijuana was legalized, I would have no say as to how to enjoy my home - the one I worked damn hard to pay for. I am glad I did not vote for Mayor Robertson and will not in the future.
 
ont147@hotmail.com
Harper is too much of an asshole allow this. short sighted, obtuse, . it has nothing to do with being a conservative, it has to do with being stupid. How someone like Harper can become leader of a country is beyond me. He is a stupid coward.
 
Gregor not exactly the best endorsement for this cause
You know you're onto a flaky gimicky idea when you've got the moonbeam himself, Gregor Robertson, on your team. It's pretty obvious that the only reason he's taking up this cause is because he knows he has no control over it and can therefore sit comfortably back pointing fingers at the "higher-ups". Such an old and tired political tactic.
 
 
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